Wednesday, May 5, 2010

Peace Be With You

I need to take a break from writing about IM topic.

My daughter Rebecca will be in holy communion with the Catholic Church in June. Last week I attended a meeting in the church in preparation for her first communion. We had to understand what needs to be done on that big day.

A spiritual motivational speaker was invited to give us the parents a talk. She is an impressive public speaker. I agree mostly with what she has to say about human nature, behaviour and desires. Most of the ill feelings, thoughts and desires one harbours are kind of like 'self-inflicted'. The speaker mentioned that inviting God into us (or should be her?) and let Him take care of all of our problems will cause most of our difficulties to go away. Ok, I am not saying it exactly, or as convincingly or elegantly as the speaker herself put it. I wish I had taken some notes. The essence of her speech was probably still there in what I just said, maybe 30% intact? Anyway, I can live with what she said there and will not put up any feeble challenge. After all, it is an unprovable argument, one way or another.

What striked me most was her statement that God gives us free will, and with free will we take responsibility over our own actions. We sort of should not blame God for our actions, as we have free will to do what we want, literally.

On the other hand, I have also heard often that God is all powerful and all knowing.

My simple mind just can't reconcile the two. A free willing human kind, and an all powerful and all knowing God. What am I missing here? Please tell me.

To my simple mind, if we have free will, then God can't be all powerful and all knowing. Would that not be right? I mean, if God says you can really do what you want, as you have free will, but He knows everything that is going to happen including what you will be doing with your free will. Shouldn't you wonder if you really had free will to do what you are doing? I mean would you not suspect that God Himself (or 'someone' or 'something' else) had planned what you are going to do if God knows, and knows consistently, ahead of what you will be doing? Does that make sense? It does to me. Take for example, someone is able to consistently predict, without error, every single lotto draw. It must make me wonder if the lotto result has been fixed, and therefore not a freely drawn set of numbers. How else can we explain the mathematically impossible act of predicting every lotto result?

To a limited extent, we can all predict the outcome of a certain event just seconds or minutes before the event happens. That is because we are able to logically deduce and therefore predict an outcome from the previous chain of events. For example, if I have been insulting your mother for the last five minutes I can be pretty confident that you are going to do something ugly to me in the next few moments. That is a no brainer prediction. But if I can consistently predict events well into the future, say ten years down the road, then would you say that people who are involved in that future event that I am predicting now really have free will to carry out that event?

So God says to you, you are free to do what you want. But wait a minute, everything that you are going to do, I already know it, and know it now. As God is also all powerful, meaning that He can not be wrong, therefore your only choice left is to freely and willingly carry out what God already knows. Logical fallacy?

Many of us have heard this story. There was a great flood. A religiously devoted man climbed to the roof of his house. There he sat and faithfully prayed for God's intervention to save him. He never doubted God would certainly pull him out of imminent death. Soon a helicopter hovered over him and he was offered to be hauled to safety. He declined the invitation, reasoning that the helicopter could go and save others while his God would save him. Then another boat passed by him, and again he declined the offer to be saved. Soon the water rose and he finally drowned. In heaven and coming face to face with God, the man lamented, God, why have you not saved me? God replied, what can I do? I sent the helicopter and the boat but you declined My help.

We can see that the man indeed had free will. He had the free will not to be saved. Now the questions. Did God know beforehand that the man was not willing to be saved? If God had known, why was He wasting His time and precious resources on someone not willing to be saved? And again if God had known, then did the man have free will (to refuse help from God)? And if God had not known beforehand, why is He all knowing and all powerful? What is the likely answer? I don't know.

Many years back I read another beautiful article posted on the internet about 9-11. I wished I had archived the article. I can't find it anymore. The article was in the form of a narration by a Franciscan priest who was at the World Trade Centre on that fateful 9-11 date. The priest was called to the scene to help out the sufferers of the worst terrorist attack in America. The priest himself died. Apparently (yes apparently) he spoke through a medium after his death on what he saw after he died.

The priest said that, on crossing over (to the other side), there was actually a huge welcoming party going on. The angels, the saints and departed loved ones were all gathered there to welcome all those who deceased. There was great joy and celebration on the other side. (I can imagine the party had to be really huge, with 5,000 deaths guests).

The priest learned from the angels that just 10 minutes before the impact of the first plane on World Trade Centre, all the angels from all over the world and heaven received an intelligence (a la 007) that it is now inevitable that the crash on World Trade Centre would occur. So all the angels immediately gathered in New York in readiness for the big event, and the party to follow.

I like this story, and I can believe it. It shows free will. Yes, the free wills of the pilots who crashed the planes. Just minutes before the crash, only these pilots knew what would happen eventually. They had the free will to make it happen, or not. I believe even Osama Bin Laden would not have total, and I mean total, control over these pilots. (Osama was probably praying to His God at that moment for his plan of attack to be realised). The pilots really could abort the attack at the last minute. It is their free will. Perhaps they really made up their mind, that is to not change their course of actions, only 10 minutes prior to the crash, hence the intelligence received by the angels at that point in time.

In all probability, the angels could have known that something big had been planned for that day. But, even as angels they could not be sure until 10 minutes prior to the event, because the pilots had free will. It was the pilots' call.

I wonder, did God know beforehand, about 9-11? Is He all knowing?

Peace be with you.

P.S. The Franciscan priest made no mention of the welfare of the terrorist pilots after cross over. I wonder if they joined or were welcome at the party?

5 comments:

  1. I was wondering if taken away "free will" from us, would we be like programmed robots ...??LOL

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  2. I actually believe we have free will. I have no problem with that. But, it is only and truly free will if no one else could know, and know consistently, what we will be doing freely and willingly.

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  3. very interesting article, but your example to validate the free will with knowledge of the occurrence is based on some medium’s account of his discussion with a departed father. Not the best of data collection as there is no opportunity to validate any of the information. The commentary could very well be laced to add value to the argument that “GOD” is all knowing yet we have free will.
    It also makes it seem that there is tremendous benefits for those who depart via these “welcoming parties” due to these negative barbaric acts preformed. I do not think there can be a weighted average to the loss or crossing over of the human soul from the physical realms.

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  4. Ramaish,

    There will never be any opportunity to validate any discussion of this sort, will there? It is a faith thing. And faith, by definition, means there is no need to validate. It is just accepting what you want to believe. Tell me how do you validate anything that is based on faith? Accepting in good faith means I totally trust that you will not play me out. I don't have to prove that you will not play me out.

    I am not trying to validate free will, or absolute knowledge of God. I am just saying that, to my mind, the two can't co-exist absolutely. In other words, we can not have total free will and a totally all knowing God.

    We can have free will, which is most probably the case, and if so, then God can't be all knowing. It is even possible that both concepts, free will and an all knowing creator, can co-exist to a limited extent. In other words, we have some free will, not all, and the Creator has some knowledge of what will happen to us, but not all.

    What is wrong with the concept of a God that gives us free will, and will not know what we will do with our free will? If you read the flood story again, only the conversation part with God is not provable. Everything else could well be real. Have you not personally experienced something like "many years ago I was in trouble, and I came across this opportunity which I passed. On hindsight if I had grabbed that opportunity I would have been totally better now?" Could you imagine for a moment that the opportunity came from God? He was trying to help you. But you passed. If you believed God had then tried to help you, then the argument that God can't be all knowing over us appears to be provable. Why? If God knew that you had the free will to not accept his offer, why would He waste His time? Would God waste time on something that would not bring a result? I don't know, but I like to think that God could not be so inefficient! Would it not make more sense that when God gave you that opportunity years ago, that in fact He could not have known whether or not you would accept His offer to help, because you have free will to decide?

    In fact, if you re-read the conversation of God with the dead man in the flood story, I had said God's reply to the man was "What can I do?" God admitted (in my own words) that He can't do a thing about saving the man (so He can't be all knowing and all powerful over us). After God gives us free will, He loses His full knowing power over us. Make sense?

    Absolute power and knowledge of God and absolute free will of human kind can not co-exist. That is my point.

    I would like to believe we are in some kind of compromised position. God gives us some free will, not total. And he still has some knowledge, again not total, of what we will do with our free will. In the same way, as parents we do not have total knowlege or power over our children, as they have their own free will. However we can have limited knowledge and control over them by shaping them through education, knowledge, environment, human contacts etc. That is our influence over our children. Beyond that, we just say we don't know whether they will be doing what we hope they will.

    Is this the same kind of relationship that God has with us?

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